lunes, 5 de febrero de 2007

EL CINE ESPAÑOL....¿MERECE LA PENA?


Año trás año, y después de la resaca de los premios Goya muchos se hacen la misma pregunta... ¿Merece la pena el cine español? ¿Es bueno?


Mirad; yo no creo en los cines de diferentes países, yo creo en las películas buenas y malas, pero reconozco que muchas veces la nacionalidad de un producto importa. ¿Es malo el cine norteamericano? No, hay buenas y malas películas norteamericanas... ¿Es profesional el cine americano? POR SUPUESTO. El más profesional de todos cuantos existen... Y así llevan más de cien años.


En eso radica el problema, amigos míos, en ser profesionales o no. Yo no quiero putear aquí a todos los integrantes de nuestro cine español, pero me permito la licencia de decir que el cine español dicta mucho de ser un medio profesional. Se dice que el cine español esta lleno de complejos, pero es mentira... En el cine español se hacen las cosas cómo se hacen porque no hay ganas.


Dicen que no hay dinero.... ES MENTIRA. Os puedo decir de algún que otro productor que hincha su presupuesto hasta el máximo, y cuando recibe la subvención del estado o de entidades públicas, se gasta este dinero en comprarle ropa a su mujer o en pillarse el último deportivo que esta de moda. Sí las cosas son así por arriba... ¿Qué espera la gente que hagamos?


Hay dinero... Mucho dinero. Muchas televisiones, muchos festivales... En Junio asistí al estreno de unos cortos en Madrid... Pues bien, la fiesta posterior costo más dinero que todo los cortos juntos... ¿Es esto justo? NO, NO ES JUSTO. La fiesta en total costo 1.000.000 de Euros; ¿sabeís cuantos cortos de 35 mm se pueden hacer con este dinero? Pues muchos.... Al menos unos diez u once... Y todos ellos de una calidad inmejorable... Pero claro, lo de la fiesta mola más, más glamour, más estilo Hollywood... Eso es lo que les interesa el cine español a productores, proveedores y demás... NADA.


Pero no todo el problema se resume a cuestiones monetarias... Cuestiones creativas muy graves afectan desde dentro a nuestro cine nacional. ¿Nunca os habeís planteado el porque de la mala o nula planificación de nuestras películas? ¿Por qué hay pocos planos, están mal montadas y encima nos quieren hacer creer que son la hostia? Pues porqué no hay ganas de hacer las cosas mejor. Muchos directores de cine creen que con enfocar, hacer que los actores hablen y plantear la acción en una cafetería o una casa ya tienen suficiente... MENUDA MIERDA. Esto es CINE no TEATRO. Yo no quiero ver a dos cotorras hablando en plano medio durante más de diez minutos... Y sí esto ocurre, por favor, que este justificado. "Dias de Fútbol", por poner un ejemplo, estaba lleno de estos errores. Planos medios. Planos de conjunto... Por favor, existe una cosa que se llama montaje... Y no me digaís que no hay dinero. Sí se tiene una cámara de cine y un buen trabajo de mesa previo se pueden hacer cosas realmente brillantes.


¿Y qué me decís de las historias y de los guiones que circulan por nuestro cine? El problema es que en este país no se cree en los géneros cinematográficos, y cuando se hacen, se hacen mal. Yo quiero ver una buena película de terror, de guerra y de acción... Pero por favor, no hacedla tan cutre... Tan trillada, tan resabida... Eso aburre. Y eso, amigos mios, es problema del guionista. De los mismos guionistas de siempre que llevan currando en el cine español años y años, y no tienen nada mejor que contar... O quizás sí: pero no tienen huevos... Ah, ya... Qué no hay dinero para una persecución por las calles de Madrid... VENGA YA¡¡¡


En cuanto a los actores sólo una cosa... ¿Qué podeís decir que coño dice Nawja Ninri en sus películas? ¿De qué coño habla Jorge Sanz? Y Penélope Cruz... ¿De verdad es tan buena? Dicen que los actores españoles son muy buenos... Yo no lo niego, lo que sí niego es su preparación y sus voces... Por favor.... Natalia Verbeke no sabe hablar, tiene voz de pito.... Y muchos actores no saben actuar... Parecen que estan leyendo el texto. Cierto que tienen naturalidad y tal en algunos gestos y algunas palabras, pero cómo digo, eso no es suficiente. Más formación de calidad.


Me guste más o me guste menos, tengo que deciir que Amenabar y su "TESIS" devolvieron por un momento la fé a un cine que se estaba muriendo. De eso hace ya casí diez años y la cosa parece que va mejorando pero aún falta mucho más...


¿Qué ha sido de Benito Zambrano, Archero Mañas o Julio Medem? Ellos trajerón un soplo de aire fresco a nuestro cine pero ahora parecen adormecidos por el más carca de los academicismos.


¿Saben los productores, directores y demás que hay una nueva generación de jóvenes a los que se nos niega el paso y sabemos que en cuanto nos den la oportunidad vamos a intentar cambiarlo todo?


Sí, lo saben...


Pero tienen miedo.


¡¡¡SE LES ACABA EL CHOLLO A TODOS¡¡¡


Jubilaros de una puta vez.

141 comentarios:

Yokin dijo...

Estoy contigo. ¡Lo que se necesita en España es cine de género! Cine negro, de aventuras, thriller, terror (pero que no sea con niños asiáticos, please), incluso más comedietas románticas, por qué no...

Aquí nos creemos que haciendo "dramones" ya somos auteurs... es una pena y un COÑAZO.

¿Cuántas pelis españolas se podrían resumir en plan "el protagonista medita sobre su pasado y descubre lo triste que es su vida y bla, bla, bla..."? Claro, así van al cine a verla los amiguetes, los cuatro culturetas y pare usted de contar.

No todo va a ser cine de palomitas, pero tampoco todo van a ser paridas "intensamente dramáticas", por dios.

Steam Man dijo...

Ahí te veo, te voy a fichar. De flipao cinematográfico a flipao cineman!!

Anónimo dijo...

El cine Español es de lo mejor: El penalty mas largo del mundo, Torrente y demas peliculas de payasetes de medio pelo que no hacen gracia a nadie.
Aqui existen solo dos géneros: comedia y drama, y ni siquiera dominan estos dos géneros...

Anónimo dijo...

¿Y tú te crees capaz de criticar al mundo del cine en general? No voy a decir que razón no te falte, pero que no sepas ni escribir bien el nombre de un par de actores (ej. Najwa Nimri) y que tengas mil faltas de ortografía... pues hombre, da que pensar y deja tu argumentación un poco magullada.

Anónimo dijo...

Hola. Yo soy un espectador de a pie, y me creo con derecho a criticar el cine español, ya que me gasto una cantidad importante de dinero cada vez que voy al cine, y por ello suelo ser bastante selecto con lo que veo.

Hay poco que decir: Es una puta mierda como una puta casa.

Las explicaciones a esta "conjetura" son de sobra conocidas, así que no voy a repetir una vez más lo que ya se ha dicho. Tan sólo diré que los únicos que se atreven hoy en día a defender el cine español son los que trabajan en él, por razones obvias, y los que no han visto en su puta vida una película española, que simplemente se dedican a decir que "el producto patrio es el mejor del mundo", sean películas, vinos, quesos, o lo que se les ocurra.

Manu, the java real machine dijo...

Pues no te falta razón...

Yo he disfrutado más con películas españolas apenas conocidas, que con las obras de esos 'grandes'...

Lo de los actores españoles... penoso. Tan solo hay que ver 'Alatriste', para ver lo que es actuar (Viggo Mortensem) y lo que es pasar por allí y decir algo (el resto de 'actores' españoles)...

No vocalizan, no entonan, no se creen sus personajes...

Y Amenabar es un crack... es muy bueno, y eso asusta al resto... así que lo critican.

Yo quitaría las subvenciones... y que cada cuál se busque quién le produzca, que ya está bien de tanto años chupando del Estado (es decir, de los ciudadanos).

Anónimo dijo...

Si tu criterio para considerar que una película es buena es el número de persecuciones... apaga y vamonos.
Yo no tengo nada que ver con el mundo del cine (excepto que soy espectador), y a mi me gusta el cine español.
Por otra parte, no sé cómo se mide la calidad de un actor cuando no estoy oyendo su voz real. Lo que juzgamos son dobladores, no actores; si escuchas a más de un actor norteamericano con su voz real te ibas a llevar más de una decepción. y en las series, ni te cuento

sinache dijo...

No todos juzgamos dobladores. Yo veo las películas en versión original, estén en el idioma en que estén, y coincido en que los actores españoles, salvo rarísimas excepciones, no saben hablar. Se les nota tanto que están leyendo línias de guión que dan auténtica pena. Es increíble que puedan ser tan malos, pero del todo cierto. No tienen ni idea. ¿Será porque en general no son más que una colección de niñatos y niñatas pijos sin más mérito que haber dicho a su papi que quieren "trabajar" como actores? Lo que dice el post, coincido: no son profesionales, y eso se nota, MUCHÍSIMO.

Anónimo dijo...

Pues yo últimamente me estoy aficionando a ver cine americano en versión original, sin subtítulos ni polleces. Ahí es donde te das cuenta de lo mal que actúan los actores españoles. Incluso el más tonto de los actores, salvo excepciones como Steven Seagal y amiguetes, por lo menos se creen el papel que están haciendo. En España, parece que los actores tengan delante el guión y lo estén leyendo sin ganas.

Anónimo dijo...

La proxima vez que vayas a una fiesta que cueste 1.000.000 de euros me invitas... He ido a muchisimas fiestas de estrenos y de otras cosas y ese presupuesto no me cabe en la cabeza. No se lo ha gastado nunca nadi en este pais. Para que te hagas una idea, ni squiera una pelicula americana se gasta 1.000.000 de euors en un estreno, incluyendo la fiesta, la campaña de publicidad. los spots...
Creo que eres un payaso que no sabe contar ni co los dedos, y espero que nunca trabajes en cine y mucho menos en un banco, aunque eso es poco probable, ahi hacen examenes.
Ser tonto en publico es patetico.

Anónimo dijo...

Pues mira, yo despues de saber que el episodio piloto de Lost costó 11.000.000 de dólares yo si me creo que en una fiesta de estreno se pueden gastar un milloncejo. Y ya que se ve que tú eres un experto en asistir a fiestas podrías ilustrarnos al resto de pobres ignorantes con datos concretos en lugar de insultar al prójimo, ya que de esa forma el que está demostrando en público que es tonto eres tú.

Anónimo dijo...

Opino que el cine español esta principalmente influenciado por las personas que no creen en el. No es facil llevar a cabo una pelicula cuando el productor te dice:
-Oye, tiene que haber un desnudo por lo menos...

- contrata a esta tia que esta muy buena y eso siempre es dinero...

-Es igual de practico rodar este plano, y encima es mas barato, creeme que no notaran la diferencia

¿Cuales son las posibilidades que tienen los cineastas españoles si los que poseen el dinero siempre apostaran por las mismas historias?

- Traeme al portero de aqui no hay quien viva

- Traeme al yonki de Aida

- Traeme al cantautor ese de Los Serrano

En definitiva, lo veo muy negro, pero siempre quedara alguna esperanza.

Ale dijo...

¿Cine de genero? ¿Me quieres explicar tu que es eso de cine de genero?

Si te refieres a hacer pelis de marcianos, de terror, del oeste, de cuentos de hadas, etc, deja que te diga que en España se ha hecho, y mucho. Lo que pasa que cuando los resultados no son vergonzantes, la taquilla no responde como debiera, porque el espectador medio, ese que decide que pelicula va a ver delante de los carteles de los multicines (la mayoria) prefiere no arriesgarse y ver una americana porque sabe que se va a encontrar con un producto mejor o peor, pero mas profesional. Ponerse a jugar en la misma liga que los americanos es absurdo, nos llevan demasiados años de ventaja y mucho marketing por delante.

Y es que cuando no falla el material hecho, falla la promoción. Han tenido que ser las películas producidas por Tele 5 las que mas han recaudado el año pasado, cosa que no es casualidad.

guionista hastiado dijo...

Pues estoy de acuerdo en muchas cosas de ese post, Jingle Bells. El problema con el cine de este país no es que no haya talento, es que no está bien gestionado. Hay demasiada gente metida en la industria para sacar tajada, para follarse a actrices/actores guaperas o para sacar pecho en las reuniones familiares diciendo que es "artista". Y toda esa gente pisa y tapa a muchos verdaderos talentos.

Hecho en falta más presencia de profesionales que hayan madurado una carrera profesional progresiva, sacrificada, consistente, y no que intenten pegar el petardazo en dos días.

Y qué decir del guión y de los guionistas. "Faltan historias, faltan historias", se dice siempre. Pues ya me diréis cuántos guionistas consiguen ganarse la vida como tales, cuántos directores renuncian a escribir "su" peli en vez de contratar a un profesional, cuántos incentivos, subvenciones o premios hay para guiones de largometrajes, cuánto se le paga a un guionista durante el proceso de escritura (que es cuando necesita comer, no solo después)...

Es una opinión sesgada, claro que sí, pero yo digo que sin buenos guiones, no hay cine que se salve de ser una puta mierda.

Anónimo dijo...

Estoy contigo.

Anónimo dijo...

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A la mierda el cine español y los hipocritas k dicen k es de lo mejor!

Anónimo dijo...

Sin querer entrar en el debate original, de si merece o no merece la pena el cine que se hace en España, quería decir que el año pasado cai por casualidad en la página del ICAA que es la encargada de cuidar de la cultura del cine a base de talonario y me encontré que las subvenciones del 2005 habían ido a ¡220 productoras diferentes!

Si las ayudas son así todos los años, aunque cada una de esas hiciera una sola película, tendríamos una media de cuatro estrenos de películas española a la semana... que va a ser que no, que las subvenciones están algo descontroladas. Además, ¿seguro que "promociones urbanísticas la loma blanca" es una productora seria? ¿o "the legal company abogados"? ¿no será que hay mucho aprovechado por ahí?

El enlace a las ayudas del 2005 ya no está operativa, pero sí las del 2006.

the lady of shalott dijo...

Estoy de acuerdo contigo en casi todo lo que dices, pero UN MILLÓN DE EUROS en la fiesta? ¿En serio? Es una burrada, y de todas maneras, de ese dinero no salen 10 u 11 cortos en 35, sinceramente, salen 100 (no estoy exagerando).

De todas maneras a los que intentan hacer guiones algo más originales no les dejan...

También quiero añadir, respondiendo al anónimo anterior a mi comentario que las ayudas no sólo son para realizar largometrajes en cine, sino que también son para postproducción o promoción y por supuesto para rodar cortometrajes: que haya 220 subvenciones no se traduce en 220 películas. Además, fíjate en cuánto dan. Ayuda, pero por lo menos en cuanto a cortometrajes se refiere, la gente que participa no se lleva un duro. 7mil euros para un corto en 35 (subveción estándar del ICAA) bastan para rodar pero no para pagar el trabajo a NADIE, ni a los actores.

Un saludo!

Anónimo dijo...

Es cierto, perdonad la imprecisión, que las ayudas a las que me refería tenían múltiples destinos.

En realidad quería simplemente destacar que en España hay más de 200 empresas que dicen dedicarse a la producción de cine, pero que sin embargo la producción que llega a las carteleras es muchísimo menor. ¿Porqué? ¿Porqué se les concede subvenciones estatales a empresas que luego no muestran los productos a que iban destinadas? Pues no lo sé, pero me preocupa.

Para corregir el número anterior, durante el 2005 el número de productoras que pidieron ayudas a la realización y producción de largometrajes y cortometrajes fue de 138, con cuantías entre 1000 y 350000 euros; sin entrar en las ayudas a la distribución comunitaria, al desarrollo de guiones de largometrajes, a la conservación de negativos y soportes, a la organización de festivales, a la participación en festivales internacionales, ayudas a la amortización , convocatoria extraordinaria de ayudas a la amortización o acuerdos entre la ICAA y el ICO para adquisición y mejora del material de producción.

Lee Marvin dijo...

Suscribo este post palabra por palabra (bueno, excepto lo de tesis, que con los años me parece que ha envejecido mal).

La cosa es muy simple, y la explicaba Carlos Colón en un diario andaluz: el ciclo consiste en que el productor acepta un proyecto cualquiera -da igual que sea una mierda sin ningún interés para el público como, por ejemplo Clara y Elena o una superproducción vacua, sin sentido ni rumbo como Sin noticias de dios- y recibe una subvención enorme por ello.

Se llama al director amigo de turno -esa Paz Vega, una actoraza capaz de hablar igual de mal, y conste que soy andaluz, ya sea en una peli americana que espaola; menos mal que asume que lo que tiene que hacer es enseñar carne...- que, a su vez, llama a los actores amigos de turno. Todos contentos, se potencia la cultura y viva el incomprendido cine español. Y UNA ***RDA!!!

Uff, que agusto me he quedado.

P.D.: Jorge Sanz alcanzó la cúspide de su carrera en Conan y eso lo saben aquí y en Pequín!!

Saludos y felicidades por el blog!!

Lee Marvin dijo...

Perdón por lo de paz vega que se me ha colao donde no era.

Anónimo dijo...

y el autor de la entrada ¿no comenta nada?

JOSE SIRGADO dijo...

Hola a todos¡¡¡

Antes de nada os pido perdón por mi gran tardanza en contestar a este post y por no haber escrito otros nuevos... Este último mes y medio he estado muy liado,( trabajo cinematográfico y no cinematográfico, defunción familiar, mudanza, relación amorosa...), y apenas he tenido tiempo que dedicar a mi blog.

Veo que este post ha levantado mucha polémica y eso me gusta... Me encanta, me apasiona¡¡¡ No dejar indiferente es lo mejor que puede pasar cuando escribes algo o reflexionas sobre un tema que te parece interesante.

Todas las opiniones son bienvenidas en este espacio... Las buenas, las malas... Las que me ponen a parir, las que me elogian...

Al abrir este blog tuve muy claro una cosa... "Nada de censuras en los comentarios", otros muchos lo hacen, pero yo soy un ferviente defensor de la libertad de expresión y es por ello que acepto, entiendo y comparto muchas de las cosas que para bien o para mal habeis dicho sobre mi post o sobre mi.

Mi visión de las cosas es personal y se basa en gran medida en mis experiencias, pero eso no quiere decir que yo tenga la razón o que mis opiniones deban de ser selladas, aprobadas y compartidas por todos. Soy un pez más en un mundo lleno de visiones, de vidas, de experiencias... La mía es tan valida cómo la vuestra, y es por ello que os invito a que me critiqueís, me puteeís, me ameís...

En breve colgaré un buen puñado de post... Uno sobre el festival de cine español de Málaga, otro sobre las técnicas para colarse en cualquier fiesta del cine o estreno cinematográfico y otro sobre las películas que para bien o para mal han marcado mi vida.

Espero que visiteís mi espacio tan pronto cómo lo haya actualizado.

Estaís en vuestra casa¡¡¡

Un abrazo muy fuerte... Amigos/enemigos.

Metabarón dijo...

Amigo mío, estoy con usted al 200%. Prespuestos bajos, guiones que no interesan a nadie, inversión nula, actores de pena, directores apenas visuales...

Creo que la única persona que se esfuerza en hacer cine comercial en España es el presidente de Filmax: ha creado la Fantastic Factory, ha producido cine de animación...

Por cierto, menudo ejemplo el del cine de animación, amigos: se está creando aquí una peli en 3D llamada "Planet One" que va a costar 50 milloncejos de dólares.

Y el guionista escribió "Shrek 2".

Podrían aprender los responsables de las películas de acción real patrias de estos tíos...

En fin.

JOSE SIRGADO dijo...

Efectivamente amigo mío; Filmax es la única productora española que realiza productos competentes o por lo menos profesionales. Basta recordar el increíble film de terror psicológico "El maquinista", una película con capital cien por cien español y que también recibió muy buenas críticas.

En España se hace mucho cine... Pero poco cine con profesionalidad. Cuando hablo de profesionalidad hablo de utilizar todos los recursos materiales y humanos disponibles para llevar a buen puerto una idea... Y no caer en la desídia de muchos de nuestros directores y productores que se conforman con lo mínimo de exigencia cinematográfica. Y que nos nos cuenten que no hay dinero, eso excusa esta muy trillada... Hay dinero, y mucho¡¡¡

Ah, otra cosa... Lo de la fiesta que costo un millón de euros es totalmente cierto... Un estreno es alquiler del cine, contratación de personal, focos... Fiesta posterior, bebidas, (y la gente del cine español bebe mucho) y comida, mucha comida...

Un abrazo amigos míos.

El osito Teddy dijo...

Un millón de euros?.Por una fiesta de unos cortos?.No tiene mucho sentido,me parece muy exagerado.

Anónimo dijo...

LA FIESTA COSTO UN MILLON DE PESETAS!!!!!!!!!!! NO DE EUROS; HAY QUE INFORMARSE MEJOR

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